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Hermos · Jun 20, 2008, 06:22 AM // 06:22

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

Indeed. Pretty much sums up my argument in a nutshell.

For RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOs sake, unless Guild Wars servers crash one day and ANET staff are brutally raped by their professions coming to life from a teleportation and genetic modification machine, I highly doubt that, "OMGZ T3H GW R DYIN L3TZ 4LL GO 2 WOW PLZ" is even remotely true.

FengShuiDove · Jun 20, 2008, 06:36 AM // 06:36

Yeah, there were probably a lot of people pissed off in 1929 cause they didn't understand or keep an eye on the stock market.

Stocks = ecto in case you missed it. They've had high points, low points, trending patterns, booms, and depressions. Luckily, with money from other sources still abundant in-game, you don't have the problem of a declining investment that you're incapable of liquidating. And, if you're one of the brave few, you can buy ectos for ridiculously cheap prices now and wait until favor hits zero and the flood of farmers can't go in as reliably anymore.

But I guess since we're literally starving, our heads should be up our butts and should be thinking irrationally about this like the whole GW world is. I guess that's a better option than actually figuring out solutions instead of complaining all the time.

Holly Herro · Jun 20, 2008, 06:48 AM // 06:48

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Originally Posted by SerenitySilverstar

Bahaha you just made my day [=

Thanks ^.^

EDIT: KFC FOR DINNER! WOO! =]

BenjZee · Jun 20, 2008, 06:54 AM // 06:54

That pic really makes the thread; especially when ive just watched the episode of Family Guy with the doomsday and the chicken with coupons

kratimas · Jun 20, 2008, 06:58 AM // 06:58

Why do people keep creating forum accounts just to QQ about the guild wars economy.

The economy is fine and really no one cares that much anymore with GW2 on the horizon.

Just play the game and have fun, if you can't do that then do something else.

But, stop with the stupid economy threads already.

obsidian ectoplasm · Jun 20, 2008, 07:18 AM // 07:18

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Originally Posted by kratimas

Why do people keep creating forum accounts just to QQ about the guild wars economy.

The economy is fine and really no one cares that much anymore with GW2 on the horizon.

Just play the game and have fun, if you can't do that then do something else.

But, stop with the stupid economy threads already.

yeah cant we just appreciate what a wonderful game we play?

I mean sure if I wnated to whine about GW i would have 10 pages full of stuff i want changed

BUT NOT EVERYONE WNATS THE SAME THIGN AS SOON AS WE COMPLAIN IF IT GETS CHANGED THEN EVERYONE WILL COMPLAIN TO GET IT BACK

so just play the game how it is

SirSausage · Jun 20, 2008, 07:28 AM // 07:28

@OP

There are more than enough gold sinks. The economy is ruined, because there is very little income in drops. *cough* Loot-scaling sux kthx *cough*
Casual gamers, as well as farmers earn less loot and so less money is generated.
To counter the flawed economy, Anet would have to lower fixed prices of merchants and weapons/armorsmiths. But I don't see that coming very soon.
Let's hope GW2 won't have these problems.

shoyon456 · Jun 20, 2008, 07:59 AM // 07:59

I feel that this parallels the economic stimulus packs being sent to ppl here in the US. Ecto is easily being made available to ppl who have the skills, however because more of it is available, it is worth less.

Lol, it really boils down to who can make the most of it... the true damage is long term, as many ppl who had nothing now have 600+ ecto from easy farming. Personally, I have made 260+ ecto in 3 days and would agree that SOMETHING needs to be done. :/

-rightuos- · Jun 20, 2008, 08:03 AM // 08:03

the falling price of ectos is not the downfall of the economy...
When did Anet ever announce that Ectos would be the constant in the economy? In my 3 years playing i don't think ever. Holding onto ectos is an investment game, just like the stock market. If the price falls and doesn't look like its gonna rebound you best sell outta that investment. Did Anet jump up to save the day when Onyx started dropping in value from 10k down to its abysmal 1.1k? no. The only people complaining the economy sux ares those who had a ton invested in ectos. IE cant buy that item that was 100k and 1200e anymore. just because the price of ectos fell didnt mean the price of everything fell. If anything the prices of things went up on the ecto end and the ecto hoarders dont like that. Oh well, i laugh at you now LOL.

Unreal Havoc · Jun 20, 2008, 08:18 AM // 08:18

The only great Guild Wars depression is the amount of people whining about Assassins doing something other classes have been doing for years. It's actually nice to see a good use in PvE for two underused and generally unfavoured classes in PvE & UW farming (Mesmer being the second class).

Personally I don't think it's a bad thing that Anet have unleashed more Ectos into the market so to speak. More people with money and Ectos to trade equals better opputunities to make good trades with people. As for what someone said about it making other items like Tormented Weapons etc cheaper, it will just make more people demand more Ectos in trade for the most part.

Lord High Pwner · Jun 20, 2008, 08:32 AM // 08:32

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Originally Posted by shoyon456

I have made 260+ ecto in 3 days and would agree that SOMETHING needs to be done. :/

I think most fear comes from unrealistic statements like this one.

260+ ectos in 3 days??? lets say you sleep 8 hours a day, and im going to round down in your favor, and do math in my head but you'd have to farm 5 ectos an hour, 16 hours a day, 3 days straight to reach that. ANd if you did do it, the only thing that needs to be changed is your play style.

evenfall · Jun 20, 2008, 08:38 AM // 08:38

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Originally Posted by Lord High Pwner

I think most fear comes from unrealistic statements like this one.

260+ ectos in 3 days??? lets say you sleep 8 hours a day, and im going to round down in your favor, and do math in my head but you'd have to farm 5 ectos an hour, 16 hours a day, 3 days straight to reach that. ANd if you did do it, the only thing that needs to be changed is your play style.

You can get 15 ectos per hr with perma-SF farming though.

free_fall · Jun 20, 2008, 08:47 AM // 08:47

What I don't understand is why people with oodles of money already are complaining that they're not making as much as they used to.

Those stacks of ectos they have in storage which used to be worth, at 6.5k per, 1,625,000g are now, at 4.5 per, worth 1,125,000g. And this is an example of how the GW economy has been 'ruined'.

FFS, how much f'ing money do you people need? You're QQing that there isn't anything to spend what you have now on while at the same time QQing that you're not making more.

One reason prices go down is that people aren't making as much as they used to, especially newer players. If they can't afford the high prices you put on what you sell, you end up lowering your prices to move your merchandise.

Here's an idea - start giving away your millions in 100k chunks to new players. The more they have, the more they can spend and they can then afford to pay higher prices, so you can start raising your prices and make more money, though you still won't have anything to spend it on unless Anet adds more gold sinks.

I have over a million gold on each of my accounts, plus probably another million worth of 'stuff' between the two. Why? Because I don't spend it like a drunken sailor. I find the standard 1k armors, in most instances, more attractive than the 15k versions, for example. And, so, if I see someone selling, say, a req 9 Saurian scythe for 40k, I can buy it without blinking an eye because it's 40k I'd just be moving out of storage onto a mule, otherwise. The GW economy is working just fine for me, thank you very much.

If you people put the same level of entrepreneurial effort into selling crap on eBay in RL as you do on this silly game, you'd all be fabulously wealthy and you wouldn't get to complain that there wasn't anything to spend your money on.

EDIT:

I want to apologize if the above sounds a little angry. I'm a firm believer in everyone being able to enjoy the game in their own way and I sometimes forget that some people find power trading and amassing huge fortunes to be fun, so more power to them and it is unfortunate if their fun is being affected. I realize, too, that some of the armors sets can cost in excess of a million gold, which takes a lot of farming and power trading to get.

Lord High Pwner · Jun 20, 2008, 08:56 AM // 08:56

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Originally Posted by evenfall

You can get 15 ectos per hr with perma-SF farming though.

You think you'll be hitting that on the 3rd day of straight farming?

[Morkai] · Jun 20, 2008, 09:11 AM // 09:11

Troll somewhere else?

On topic - Guru gets 76768768 of these whiner threads every day.

Not enough gold sinks? k Edited as Gift3d proved a valid point. Gold sinks - Sweet tooth, drunkard. Go.

Also - you say you want stuff to be sold to vendors, but then you whine about stuff being made so that stuff is NOT sold to vendors?

Gift3d · Jun 20, 2008, 09:11 AM // 09:11

-.-

GOLD SINK = DELETING GOLD FROM THE GAME
Lockpicks @ merchant = gold sink. The gold you spend on it is no longer in the game. It's gone.
ANYTHING you buy from another player, no matter how expensive, is not a gold sink. The gold is still circulating through the userbase.

edit: INCLUDING ZAISHEN KEYS! You can buy Zaishen Keys from NPC's with gold? Please tell me where. The only 'sink' Zaishen Keys are is a balthazar faction sink.

Although you've got to consider how ANet sees it. I saw someone post once that they thought Ursan remained unnerfed to motivate players to buy EotN who haven't already done so, i never really looked at it that way but it makes sense.

edit2: i also don't understand why people see this as a QQ thread. We know GW is dying, it's unfortunate but it was bound to happen sooner or later.. it just happened, well, sooner :P. Nothing wrong with discussing that.

Kikuta · Jun 20, 2008, 09:43 AM // 09:43

Okay rather than just being another post explaining the obvious in a discussion that didn't need 40 replies, here's some IDEAS for further gold/ecto sinks.

- Eternal Armor. We have Obsidian armor from the FoW, why not have an armor set that uses Ectoplasm and some other rare material (instead of Obsidian Shards - Diamonds perhaps?) available for crafting in the UW?

- A full Ghostly Weapons set. Think Destroyer weapons, but forged with ectoplasm and glittering dust. Would be similar in art style to the already existent Ghostly Staff (which of course would be part of the set, just now craftable).

- Add more weapon craftsmen for weapons of low to medium rarity to later areas of each campaign. That doesn't mean people will be crafting Crystalline swords in the same way Dwarven Axes were made craftable - medium to low rarity skins only.

That's all I can really think of at the moment, might suggest others if people give a shit.

romeus petrus · Jun 20, 2008, 12:47 PM // 12:47

New Elite armor to act as a gold sink has been proposed many times before, I dont see it happening. Even the "new" armor sets from GWEN were reskins...

Kikuta · Jun 20, 2008, 01:21 PM // 13:21

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Originally Posted by romeus petrus

Even the "new" armor sets from GWEN were reskins...

Indeed, but people bought them regardless. I myself succumbed to Monument armor for my Warrior despite outwardly admitting I hated it initially.

But in regards to the Eternal Armor idea, I would assume there would be nothing retextured for any of them in each set - you wouldn't pay the absurd amount of gold they'd cost for a reskin.

Dallcingi · Jun 20, 2008, 01:49 PM // 13:49

How is cheap stuff a depression? last time I checked the Great Depression was when everyone was broke and were looking for jobs and had nothing to feed their families. In GW today everyone can afford anything they want if they work a little (well not extremes of course like polar bear or panda) ...
It doesn't matter anymore.. now everyone can get their fow for cheap and everyone can be happy. What's the point of having 1mil anyways if you don't know what to spend it on?